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Jasper07734 06-21-2019 05:28 PM

Also, theology is not magic, no.

Jasper07734 06-21-2019 05:31 PM

Also also, I will soon quote/list my source material that helps me in distinguishing a sect of a religion from a cult. (I learned my lesson about leaving you hanging. :-) But family is in town so it must wait.)

Chuck 06-21-2019 05:59 PM

He was a pretty good basketball player.

mathmajor 06-21-2019 08:57 PM

I think very vaguely "magic" can be real (when it's meditation, willpower, that sort of thing).

I don't believe in demons so that's kinda out.

Jasper07734 06-21-2019 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper07734 (Post 9650366)
But family is in town so it must wait.)

...aaaand it was an abject failure. :wall: (I might even make a thread about it.)

nonlnear 06-22-2019 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasper07734 (Post 9650460)
...aaaand it was an abject failure. :wall: (I might even make a thread about it.)

What was an abject failure? The family visit, or you trying to assemble a defensible differentiation between religious sects and cults?

Jasper07734 06-22-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nonlnear (Post 9650515)
What was an abject failure? The family visit, or you trying to assemble a defensible differentiation between religious sects and cults?

The family visit. :-P (It made me wish I had magic abilities.)

Whiskey 06-22-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper07734 (Post 9650366)
Also also, I will soon quote/list my source material that helps me in distinguishing a sect of a religion from a cult. (I learned my lesson about leaving you hanging. :-) But family is in town so it must wait.)

I am looking forward to this.

I don't think I have seen this ever executed well.

Arroway 06-22-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarot Actuary (Post 9649843)

you won't get very far before running into the name of Alistair Crowley

[ninja risk acknowledged]

also the subject of a pretty awesome Black Sabbath song

[/ninja risk acknowledged]

Jasper07734 06-22-2019 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey (Post 9650540)
I am looking forward to this.

I don't think I have seen this ever executed well.

I appreciate your "faith" in me. :kiss:

Anyway.

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Religious groups can be classified into three categories: (1) mainline religions; (2) sects, or offshoots of these mainline religions; and (3) cults.

What are cults? How do they differ from mainline religions and sects?

Although written almost forty years ago, perhaps the most useful definition of a cult is this: "A cult is any religious group which differs significantly in some one or more aspects as to belief or practices from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative [standard] expressions of religion in our total culture.

Many studies have been done about cults. Consistently, analysts have picked out five characteristics that usually apply to cults.
  1. The Authority of the Leader: Cults have leaders who claim divinity or special relationships with God through revelations given to the leaders alone.
  2. Total Control of Its Members: The governance of cult members' lives is usually complete. This giving up of personal choice is frequently desired by members of cults. Life is easier and more comfortable when people do not have to make decisions.
  3. Emotional Dependence on the Cult: Cults typically create an aura of exclusivity and isolation for their members. Thus, cultists develop a deep emotional dependence on their leaders especially.
  4. Prohibiting Independent Thinking: Cults prohobit their members from using critical analysis and independent thinking. This aspect of cults is clearly related to characteristics 1, 2, and 3 listed above. But some cults go even further and try to destroy the egos or individual personalities of members by using mind-controlling techniques.
  5. Money for the Leader: Ironically, many leaders of cults preach against the corruption of the whole world but live nicely (sometimes even extravagantly) on the funds raised by their followers. Some cults require that new members turn over all of their wages and savings to the group. Often members are given tasks that neither use their talents nor contribute to the larger society.

Source: Great Religions of the World by Loretta Pastva, ISBN: 0-88489-175-5
This is always my starting point when thinking about the difference between a sect of a legit religion and a cult.


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