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Old 05-05-2020, 03:12 PM
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I get that. But the USSF was organizing a tour of games to be played, several on turf. You know what they could have done? Organized games to be played on grass.
And why didn't they? Probably money, some of which goes directly to the players, as per contract.

The Hawaii game that was canceled, for example. Could have been scheduled on Maui, at a 23,000-seat grass-surface stadium. Could have been scheduled at a 4500-seat grass-surface soccer stadium on Oahu. (Maybe squeeze more in as SRO.)
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I read a thing about the judgment, and it seemed to make sense.

Then I saw this:
https://reason.com/2020/05/02/a-dubi...s-soccer-team/

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The WNT has already vowed to appeal, and they should. This ruling has a very high likelihood of being overturned on appeal. If one thing is clear about this case, it is that the WNT players have made reasonable claims of being paid unequally that a jury must decide.
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Old 05-05-2020, 03:56 PM
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As per their contracts.
Was this contract forced upon them?
Who traded bonuses away for guarantees instead, creating the difference in men's pay versus women's pay?


They should simply stop playing until a new contract is agreed upon, since the contracts are the difference that they are suing about.
Problem with that strategy is the bluff will be called. Suing is a much easier method.
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My assessment of the situation is that had the WNT agreed to a similar bonus pay structure as the men albeit at a lesser bonus per win and foregone the guaranteed salaries they would have a slam dunk case. But because they agreed to a different structure it makes it a lot less clear that there may be unequal pay. Also, funnily enough, I assume the men have much higher win bonuses then the WNT would be offered because US soccer knows they are less likely to hit them.

I think this will all end with equal bonus structures for both the men and the women in future games, but that US soccer will stop paying the women's NWSL salaries.
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It should end that way.

USMNT is out of contract at present, agreeing to keep using a year-old-expired contract. There doesn't seem to be any pressing need for a new contract, but I'm guessing it is because of this suit.
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In CBA negotiations women's players union demanded the upside of the men's CBA plus the guarantees. USSF said that's dumb and they agreed to something in the middle. Now they're trying to use courts to enforce their demands...Judge didn't seem to buy it.

Only thing judge agreed with was that they chartered more flights for men, but both have been using charter flights since 2018. Even there it sounds like that was more the men's coach pushing for it and the women's coach didn't.
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I read a thing about the judgment, and it seemed to make sense.

Then I saw this:
https://reason.com/2020/05/02/a-dubi...s-soccer-team/

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The $66M figure ignores the fact that the Women's game simply does not bring in as much money as the Men's game. In the US this isn't true because we have been the champions so often. But the Men manage to bring in close to the same amount of money as the women without being serious contenders for a World Cup title. Arguing that the women should get the full amount the men would have gotten, had they won the tittle, completely ignores the difference in revenues this would go with. No employee is worth more value than they generate, by definition.
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In CBA negotiations women's players union demanded the upside of the men's CBA plus the guarantees. USSF said that's dumb and they agreed to something in the middle. Now they're trying to use courts to enforce their demands...Judge didn't seem to buy it.

Only thing judge agreed with was that they chartered more flights for men, but both have been using charter flights since 2018. Even there it sounds like that was more the men's coach pushing for it and the women's coach didn't.
Another thing to consider is the qualifying process both teams go through. The women are generally US-based and play in a 2 week tournament in the US, while the men's team goes through a 2 yr process brings guys back from Europe then they have to travel to places like Panama for the Hex.
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Should WNBA players get paid the same amount as nba players?
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