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Old 09-12-2019, 02:48 PM
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The employer sometimes get mad and say that they thought that I would accept and that I am irresponsible and that I will never work in the industry.
I don't know your country or what actual conversations have been, so hard to comment intelligently on any of the other comments, so I'll just respond to this (quoted) part.

I also have had companies that say stupid things about how sorry I'll be if I don't do what they think I should do. Telling you that you'll never work in the industry is particularly amusing - remind me why they're so upset again? Oh, right, because you're so desirable as an employee that they really really want you working for them. lolz
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Old 09-13-2019, 09:46 AM
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I had a boss once who said they'd never be certain that someone really accepted the job until the "employee" showed up for the first day. A lot can happen between accepting a job and the actual start date.
I once worked at a place and we had a new person starting on Monday morning. By mid-morning we were all slightly confused. Buried in someone's emails was a note from the new hire indicating they were offered another position which they were taking instead.

I got some of the swag they give the new hires though, so that was cool.
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I don't get how employers can be upset if you say you have decided to take another offer. Did you give the other company a chance to match/beat whatever it is you were offered or discuss what it is that made you change your mind? If you didn't, then I can see being slightly annoyed, but even then it's your choice ultimately in the end and you don't owe anything (although leaving bridges unburned and good rapport is always a good idea imo).
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This probably varies significantly by country. As other mentioned, in the US there is at-will employment and norms may be different than in other countries.

Although intuitively it seems like you shouldn't have any obligation until you sign the contract.
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Although intuitively it seems like you shouldn't have any obligation until you sign the contract.
Yeah, from a US perspective, it's ridiculous to have a contract and then act like you had an obligation before the contract was signed - that's what the contract is for. If you wanted me so badly that you assumed I'd be joining, you should have just offered me the contract then.
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I had a boss once who said they'd never be certain that someone really accepted the job until the "employee" showed up for the first day. A lot can happen between accepting a job and the actual start date.
This kinda goes both ways though. If the employee accepts the offer and has resigned from his/her current position expecting to start for the new company, what guarantee is there that the offer won't get rescinded at some point, especially if there is a period of a few weeks between when the offer was accepted and the start date? This situation more negatively affects the employee (they are out of a job) vs the company who can just find someone else.

I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen this happen? Asking for a friend.
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Have seen that happen when a company is in meltdown (think Andersen post-Enron, or AIG 2008). It's extremely rare (in the US) otherwise. Can't say I've ever seen it.

Many people had offers from Andersen and the company backed out - which ended up being a favor, as it was really just advance notice on the fact that there was not going to be a job available for them.
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Have seen that happen when a company is in meltdown (think Andersen post-Enron, or AIG 2008). It's extremely rare (in the US) otherwise. Can't say I've ever seen it.

Many people had offers from Andersen and the company backed out - which ended up being a favor, as it was really just advance notice on the fact that there was not going to be a job available for them.
Yes, that was a tough time for entry level jobs, and I think just as bad as 2008. Two of my roommates were expected to start at Arthur Andersen and Accenture, and both had their offers rescinded between December and May graduation.
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