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So . . . the US Armed Forces might fall under that "definition" of cult.
The army definitely uses emotional manipulation. It's a little questionable tbh, but necessary I suppose to make people kill.
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Is magic demonic? From what I understand certain kinds involve using the powers of otherworldly beings, certain kinds are more like psychics. All of them seem like bullshit.
Succinct, and I don't disagree with any of this. To reiterate an earlier point, there are also those that practice magic who don't necessarily believe that anything supernatural is going on, but nonetheless have found that practicing certain rituals can help effect changes that have a powerful impact on their lives. I agree with you, that it does indeed seem like bullshit. But I can also attest that, in my experience, it does produce results.
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Succinct, and I don't disagree with any of this. To reiterate an earlier point, there are also those that practice magic who don't necessarily believe that anything supernatural is going on, but nonetheless have found that practicing certain rituals can help effect changes that have a powerful impact on their lives. I agree with you, that it does indeed seem like bullshit. But I can also attest that, in my experience, it does produce results.
Would you compare that to a baseball player wearing lucky socks every game, thinking they increase his abilities? That seems like magic to me, though it usually isn't called that.
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Would you compare that to a baseball player wearing lucky socks every game, thinking they increase his abilities? That seems like magic to me, though it usually isn't called that.
That's a very interesting question. I want to give it more thought, but I think I can say, yes, I would compare it to that. I don't think I would have any trouble calling that magic, as I understand it.

At this point, I do not think that this kind of magic is something purely psychological. But there have been times when I looked at it like that.
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Luck is one of those incredibly widespread beliefs that really doesnt get enough attention.
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Have you ever read Book of the Subgenius? It talks about calling upon the powers of Robert "Bob" Dobbs to help "tilt the luck plane" in your direction, if I remember the phrasing correctly.

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We should really be making GMO 4-leaf clovers to mass produce luck.
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Would you compare that to a baseball player wearing lucky socks every game, thinking they increase his abilities? That seems like magic to me, though it usually isn't called that.
Is that an example of a superstition? Or is that word mainly used for negative things, like it's bad luck to walk under a ladder or unlucky number 13 (which is actually lucky in my culture, although same difference)?
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Is that an example of a superstition? Or is that word mainly used for negative things, like it's bad luck to walk under a ladder or unlucky number 13 (which is actually lucky in my culture, although same difference)?
Superstition is used for religious beliefs you dont share. Fairies are a superstition, but evil magic sex demons are part of true religion.
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