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The Rebel Forum 2013 Celebrity Death Pool

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Back for it's 10th year ()! We're keeping the full set of rules for the sake of any newcomers, although I expect most of the 2013 players to be holdovers from previous years who already know the rules... and nothing is really changing from 2012.

"What's a celebrity death pool?", you ask... Simple, just make two lists of celebrities* that you think will kick the bucket, buy the farm, cash in their chips (a.k.a. DIE) in the coming year, 1/1/13-12/31/13. Your first list should have 15 celebrities of any age, and your second list should have 5 celebrities under age 50 (as of 1/1/13)... we'll call these your "tragedy picks".

Number the lists from #1-15 and #1-5, with #1 being who you feel is most likely to die, and so on down the line. As the obits roll in, you will score 15 points if your #1 pick dies, decreasing down to 1 point for your #15 pick. The tragedy picks have higher scores... #1 will be worth 20 points, #2 will be worth 16 points, #3 will be worth 12 points, #4 will be worth 8 points, and #5 will be worth 4 points. They don't have to die in a tragic way, we just refer to them as tragedy picks since, unlike many of your other selections, they aren't being picked largely for being old and decrepit. Also, there is nothing keeping you from putting people under 50 years old on your main list of 15 if you have lots of younger entries, they just don't all qualify for the tragedy scoring... One last extra scoring point: if one of your celebrities dies and you are the only person playing to have guessed that celebrity, you will score 1 extra point.

I ask that you also submit "Alternate" picks for me in addition to your lists of 15 regular and 5 tragedy selections. This is in case one of your picks dies between the time you submit and the start of 2013 or I have to throw out one of your picks for not being a celebrity. If that happens, your Alternate Pick will move to the bottom of your list and all others will move up one spot. Same thing goes if a celebrity dies in a previous year, but for some reason the news doesn't become official until much later... in that case I will retroactively add points for that celebrity in the pool for the year in which they are reported to have died. That celebrity would then be removed from your list, all others would move up one spot, and I'd add your Alternate Pick to the bottom. However, if someone on your list is dead before 2013 or I have to reject one of your celebrities, and you don't have an alternate name for me, that's your own fault.

I've tried to close up most loopholes in the rules, so just try and make life easy on me by picking legitimate celebs. If you have any questions on if someone is eligible, feel free to just ask me via PM. Anyone who has been allowed and is still alive is still eligible, and I'm willing to go back and re-evaluate anyone I might've ruled against in the past. For a fairly reliable list of many celebrities alive-or-dead status, check out these web sites (http://www.whosaliveandwhosdead.com and http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf)

Since there is some degree of judgment as to who is and is not a celebrity (see below), I hope to get a fellow poster that isn't interested in competing, to volunteer to be part of an independent (i.e. not an alternate ID of somebody competing) arbitrator to make judgment calls on questionable choices. PM me if you're interested in helping with this.

I ask that you PM your entries to me by midnight, Dec 29th, which gives you a little over 2 weeks to work on your lists. It will also allow me and my helper (if any) time over the holidays to determine who is famous and who isn't. Entries should be PMed to me in order to keep the chances of an unusual pick remaining unique, as well as to prevent people from submitting a conglomerate list of the most popular picks. Since it's only fair that others shouldn't know who is being picked, I will only moderate this contest and not be an active competitor. Another reason for cutting off entries before midnight on New Years Eve is that it gives time to compile the frequencies of the names selected so we can submit an AO-composite entry in the Derby Death Pool.



* What constitutes a celebrity?
  • Celebrities are musicians, actors, writers, athletes, political and religious figures and the such... pretty much any public figure recognizble by name alone.
* What is not a celebrity?
  • Anyone who is known more for being related to another celebrity by birth, marriage, or romance (which is entirely different from marriage) than for any of their own fame/accolades is not a celebrity.
  • Anyone who is known solely for their health history and/or current condition more than any accomplishments is not a celebrity. Individuals prominently renowned for being amongst the world's oldest living people, multiple transplant survivors, etc are not eligible.
  • Persons known to be on death row or whose death is a certainty do not qualify. Don't try and take the guesswork out of this! Famous prisoners that die of natural causes will count towards the pool.
Should you enter a celebrity with a name shared by other celebrities or quasi famous people, please specify exactly which you are referring to. For example, if you tell me that you want Vanessa Williams, I can't exactly tell if you mean a) Vanessa A. Williams, the actress whose credits include the Showtime TV series "Soul Food" or b) Vanessa L. Williams, the pageant model/singer/actress whose credits include the film "Soul Food"? Without clarifying which celebrity you are referring to, it will become my discretion.


What are we playing for? Well, I'm waiting to hear back from Tom on whether we can get a prize for the winner... some sort of AO-branded giveaway or maybe a personalized emoticon or something, who knows... We've yet to have a year finish with a tie for first place, and until it arises, I haven't decided on a tiebreaker to determine the winner. Most number of deaths? Least number of deaths? Who had the final top score first? You can make arguments for all of them really... For now I like to say it would be based on the order the entries were received (plus it might help them trickle in earlier for me)

I'll freely admit that I'm not on the RF/AO nearly as much as I used to be, and will be retiring altogether in January, so after I handle all of the set-up work for the 2013 version of the game, frummie will then handle all of the updates on a go-forward basis (yeah, that's more or less what's he's been doing for me lately). Feel free to use this thread as a discussion area, try and break the news on new deaths before he beats you to it, etc. Any help in acknowledging relevent deaths will be a big help in keeping score! I will post the full list of entrants and selections once all entries have been received and verified.


Lastly, some links to the previous years' pools:
The Rebel Forum 2004 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by Ray Finkle, Runner-up urysohn
The Rebel Forum 2005 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by father of two, Runner-up Butters
The Rebel Forum 2006 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by working girl, Runner-up hotkarl
The Rebel Forum 2007 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by Werewolf, Runner-up working girl
The Rebel Forum 2008 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by working girl, Runner-up Werewolf
The Rebel Forum 2009 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by working girl, Runner-up Joker
The Rebel Forum 2010 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by zeuz, Runner-up Wannabe Actuary
The Rebel Forum 2011 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by frummie, Runners-up Patience/Werewolf
The Rebel Forum 2012 Celebrity Death Pool - Won by Traina, Runner-up keyser soze
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Lists in order of date of entry:

keyser soze -- 2012 Runner Up

1. Jack Pardee -- Died 04/01/2013
2. Buddy Ryan
3. Michael Weiner -- Died 11/21/2013
4. Zsa Zsa Gabor
5. Damon Harris -- Died 02/18/2013
6. Bob Dole
7. Olivia de Havilland
8. Nancy Reagan
9. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
10. Jim Calhoun
11. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
12. Billy Graham
13. Jerry Sandusky *
14. Harold Camping *
15. Glen Campbell *

T1. Ethan Zohn
T2. Jack Osbourne *
T3. Orlando Thomas *
T4. Chris Brown *
T5. Gheorghe Muresan *


Abused Student

1. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
2. Zsa Zsa Gabor
3. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
4. Sid Caesar *
5. Billy Graham
6. Loretta Lynn *
7. Katherine Helmond *
8. Olivia de Havilland
9. Abe Vigoda
10. Randy Travis *
11. Shakeel Afridi *
12. Patty Andrews * -- Died 01/30/2013
13. Fidel Castro
14. Muhammad Ali
15. Henry Kissinger

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Katie Holmes
T3. Evan Dando *
T4. Charlie Sheen
T5. Amanda Bynes *


yankeetripper

1. Joan Fontaine *
2. Bobby Doerr
3. Zsa Zsa Gabor
4. Billy Graham
5. Bob Dole
6. John Paul Stevens
7. Chuck Berry
8. Luise Rainer *
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Jake LaMotta
11. Doris Day *
12. Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
13. George H. W. Bush
14. Yogi Berra
15. Bob Newhart *

T1. Jose Canseco *
T2. Lindsay Lohan
T3. Britney Spears *
T4. Cortez Kennedy *
T5. Jimmie Johnson *


frummie -- 2011 Champion

1.Jack Pardee -- Died 04/01/2013
2. Bonnie Franklin -- Died 03/01/2013
3. Michael Weiner -- Died 11/21/2013
4. James Whitey Bulger *
5. Tommy Chong *
6. Philip Mountbatten (Prince Phillip)
7. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
8. George H. W. Bush
9. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
10. Roger Ebert * -- Died 04/04/2013
11. Buddy Ryan
12. Hosni Mubarak
13. Ryan O'Neal *
14. Chuck Berry
15. Derryn Hinch

T1. Stefano Borgonovo * -- Died 07/01/2013
T2. Diem Brown *
T3. Jesse Jackson Jr.
T4. Ryan Buell
T5. Bashar-al Assad


Malik Shabazz

1. Billy Graham
2. George H. W. Bush
3. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
4. John Paul Stevens
5. Kirk Douglas
6. Olivia de Havilland
7. Herman Wouk
8. Eli Wallach
9. Jayne Meadows *
10. I.M. Pei
11. C. Everett Koop -- Died 02/25/2013
12. Pauline Phillips (Abigail Van Buren) * -- Died 01/16/2013
13. Don Pardo *
14. Al Jaffee *
15. Abe Vigoda

T1. Joaquin Phoenix *
T2. Lindsay Lohan
T3. Quentin Tarantino *
T4. Michael Jordan *
T5. Dwight Gooden *


Patience -- 2011 Co-Runner Up

1. Henry McCullough *
2. Fidel Castro
3. Marilyn Horne *
4. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
5. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
6. Jo„o Havelange *
7. Mark Brandon Read -- Died 10/09/2013
8. Virgil Trucks * -- Died 03/23/2013
9. Jerry Lewis
10. Zsa Zsa Gabor
11. Harald V of Norway *
12. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013

13. Billy Graham
14. George H. W. Bush
15. Reg Presley * -- Died 02/04/2013

T1. Ryan Buell
T2. Ethan Zohn
T3. Manisha Koirala *
T4. Eric Abidal *
T5. Theo Bos -- Died 02/28/2013


LastExamTaker

1. George H. W. Bush
2. Philip Mountbatten (Prince Phillip)
3. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
4. Ed Asner *
5. Pete Seeger *
6. Herman Wouk
7. Olivia de Havilland
8. Zsa Zsa Gabor
9. Billy Graham
10. I.M. Pei
11. Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
12. Rose Marie *
13. John McCain *
14. Chuck Yeager *
15. Muhammad Ali

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Melky Cabrera *
T3. Katie Holmes
T4. Josh Brent *
T5. Justin Bieber *


Traina -- 2012 Champion

1. George H. W. Bush
2. Ray Price *
3. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
4. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
5. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
6. Fidel Castro
7. Ronnie Biggs -- Died 12/18/2013
8. Clarence "Ace" Parker -- Died 11/06/2013
9. Jerry Lewis
10. Eli Wallach
11. Aretha Franklin *
12. Billy Graham
13. Eddie Van Halen *
14. Muhammad Ali
15. Beverley Cleary

T1. Lark Voorhies *
T2. Ryan Buell
T3. Frankie Muniz *
T4. Wade Hayes *
T5. Macaulay Culkin


OddSox

1. Hosni Mubarak
2. Van Cliburn * -- Died 02/27/2013
3. Damon Harris -- Died 02/18/2013
4. Bonnie Franklin -- Died 03/01/2013
5. Michael Winner * -- Died 01/21/2013
6. Clive James *
7. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
8. George H. W. Bush
9. Ariel Sharon
10. Zsa Zsa Gabor
11. Erich Priebke * -- Died 10/11/2013
12. Bryan Wiedmeier *
13. Ronald Coase *
14. Robert Mugabe
15. Jalal Talabani *

T1. Ryan Buell
T2. Rebekah del Rio *
T3. Bashar-al Assad
T4. Geert Wilders *
T5. Joseph Kabila *


trondogss

1. George H. W. Bush
2. Hosni Mubarak
3. Zsa Zsa Gabor
4. Walter Walsh *
5. Gerard Helders * -- Died 01/06/2013
6. Eli Wallach
7. Clarence "Ace" Parker -- Died 11/06/2013
8. James William "Bill" Glassford *
9. Arthur Joseph Kenney *
10. Chuck Fairbanks * -- Died 04/02/2013
11. Herb Jeffries *
12. Kirk Douglas
13. Nancy Reagan
14. Ken Hechler *
15. Vera Lynn *

T1. James Murphy *
T2. Jesse Jackson Jr.
T3. Jason Acuna *
T4. Dylan "Hornswoggle" Postl *
T5. Ryan Buell


working girl -- 2006 Champion, 2007 Runner Up, 2008 Champion, 2009 Champion


1. Jack Pardee -- Died 04/01/2013
2. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
3. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
4. Gabriel Garcia Marquez *
5. Bonnie Franklin -- Died 03/01/2013
6. Jim Calhoun
7. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
8. Mark Brandon Read -- Died 10/09/2013
9. Hosni Mubarak
10. George H. W. Bush
11. Billy Graham
12. Zsa Zsa Gabor
13. Ali Abdullah Saleh *
14. Merle Haggard *
15.Annette Funicello -- Died 04/08/2013

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Ethan Zohn
T3. Stiliyan Petrov *
T4. Tito Vilanova *
T5. Azzam the American *


urysohn -- 2004 Runner Up

1. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013

2. Zsa Zsa Gabor
3. Stan Musial -- Died 01/19/2013
4. Fidel Castro
5. Dick Cheney *
6. Beverley Cleary
7. C. Everett Koop -- Died 02/25/2013
8. George H. W. Bush
9. Henry Kissinger
10. Hillary Clinton
11. Yogi Berra
12. Alan Greenspan *
13. Bum Phillips * -- Died 10/20/2013
14. Olivia de Havilland
15. Bobby Doerr

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Charlie Sheen
T3. Colin Farrell *
T4. Miley Cyrus *
T5. Kristin Stewart *


Maphisto's Sidekick

1. Zsa Zsa Gabor
2. Billy Graham
3. Kirk Douglas
4. Fidel Castro
5. Nancy Reagan
6. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
7. Olivia de Havilland
8. Nelson Mandela
9. Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud *
10. George H. W. Bush
11. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
12. Jerry Lewis
13. Muhammad Ali
14. Hosni Mubarak
15. Annette Funicello -- Died 04/08/2013
T1. Bashar al-Assad
T2. Lindsay Lohan
T3. Charlie Sheen
T4. Courtney Love
T5. Alana "Honey Boo Boo" Thompson *


Scherzo

1. George H. W. Bush
2. Eli Wallach
3. Zsa Zsa Gabor
4. Fidel Castro
5. Mickey Rooney *
6. Billy Graham
7. Kirk Douglas
8. Jerry Lewis
9. Bob Barker *
10. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Olivia de Havilland
13. Nelson Mandela
14. Abe Vigoda
15. Clint Eastwood *

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Dwayne Carter (Lil Wayne) *
T3. Courtney Love
T4. Tila Tequila *
T5. Macaulay Culkin


Ezekial Cumberland

1. Ronnie Biggs -- Died 12/18/2013
2. Ariel Sharon
3. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
4. Jake LaMotta
5. Eli Wallach
6. Nancy Reagan
7. Kirk Douglas
8. Billy Graham
9. Fidel Castro
10. Elizabeth Windsor (Queen Elizabeth II) *
11. Stan Musial -- Died 01/19/2013
12. Chuck Bednarik *
13. Zsa Zsa Gabor
14. Paula Deen *
15. Scott Steiner *

T1. Josh Hamilton *
T2. Mike Tyson *
T3. Mark Henry *
T4. Aaron Gibson *
T5. Allen Iverson *


Rosebud

1.C. Everett Koop -- Died 02/25/2013
2. Kirk Kerkorian *
3. Bernard Kalb *
4. Ralph Kiner *
5. Henry Kissinger
6. Charles Keating *
7. Ed Koch * -- Died 02/01/2013
8. George Kennedy *
9. B. B. King *
10. Ali Khamenei *
11. Al Kaline *
12. Hamid Karzai *
13. Tom Kennedy *
14. Sid Krofft *
15. Sally Kellerman *

T1. Garry Kasparov *
T2. Cedric Kyles *
T3. Keira Knightly *
T4. Bernie Kosar *
T5. Nicole Kidman *


The Arbitrary

1. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
2. Nancy Reagan
3. Angel Garcia *
4. George H. W. Bush
5. Zsa Zsa Gabor
6. Ariel Sharon
7. Eli Wallach
8. Buddy Ryan
9. Billy Graham
10. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
11. Fidel Castro
12. Bobby Doerr
13. Stephen Hawking *
14. Alicia Rhett *
15. Stan Musial -- Died 01/19/2013

T1. Lindsay Lohan
T2. Charlie Sheen
T3. Brooke Mueller *
T4. Kate Moss *
T5. A.J. McLean *


Werewolf -- 2007 Champion, 2008 Runner Up, 2011 Co-Runner Up


1. Nelson Mandela -- Died 12/05/2013
2.Bonnie Franklin -- Died 03/01/2013
3. Hugo Chavez -- Died 03/05/2013
4. George H. W. Bush
5. Robert Mugabe
6. Mark Brandon Read -- Died 10/09/2013
7. Ronnie Biggs -- Died 12/18/2013
8. Billy Graham
9. Margaret Thatcher -- Died 04/08/2013
10. Ruth Bader Ginsburg *
11. Derryn Hinch
12. Fidel Castro
13. Hillary Clinton
14. Willie Nelson *
15. Dennis Frederiksen *

T1. Theo Bos -- Died 02/28/2013
T2. Ryan Buell
T3. Ethan Zohn
T4. Brooke Burke *
T5. Tamara Grigsby *
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Does Stephan Hawking count as a celebrity?

What about the double-amputee who participated in the Olympics?
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Stephen Hawking has been on our lists before. Any Olympian is sure to be a celebrity, but that is Jables' call.
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Idea for tie breaker:

the one with the most tragic deaths

followed by

the one with the most total deaths

followed by

the one with the highest point value for a single death.
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Idea for tie breaker:

the one with the most tragic deaths

followed by

the one with the most total deaths

followed by

the one with the highest point value for a single death.
I would say

Total
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I believe they call that the King Tut approach. I approve.
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On that note, should anyone who believes there is an afterlife be excluded?
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I believe we can list people who believe in the afterlife, but not people who are currently partaking in it.
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