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Old 01-20-2020, 02:58 PM
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Default Geheimer Hitler - Wintersonnenwende

A few games to reflect upon if you desire . . .
The Revenge (Liberals won on a Hitler assassination; and VA gets his due)
The Nazi Strike Back (Fascist won on hung gov't policy; some discussion around the Eva Braun role originated in this thread as well)
Springtime for Hitler (Fascist won; Eva introduced)


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The game can be played with anywhere from 5-10+ players.

Spoiler:

Basics

The setting is 1930s Germany. There are two teams, the fascists and the liberals. One of the fascists will be the Secret Hitler, which will be explained below. The teams will be enumerated as follows:

5 players: 3L, 1F+H
6 players: 4L*, 1F+H
7 players: 4L, 2F+H
8 players: 5L*, 2F+H
9 players: 5L, 3F+H
10 players, 6L*, 3F+H

11 players, 6L, 4F + H (etc.)

*Eva Rule will be utilized if there are an even number of players voting starting the game.. This is essentially that a tie vote results in a win for the Fascist only if Hitler is the Chancellor and a passing government would otherwise result in a win for them.

The fascists win if 6 fascist policies are passed, or if Hitler is elected chancellor after 3 fascist policies are passed. The liberals win if 5 liberal policies are passed, or if Hitler is assassinated.

Before the game

You will be assigned one of three roles: Liberal, Fascists, or Hitler. If you are Liberal, that will be all that you know. If you are Fascist, you will be told your fascist teammates as well as who Hitler is. If you are Hitler, unless there are only 5-6 players, you will NOT know who your fascist teammates are.

You will be assigned a seat number as well. Seat 1 will be the first President, and the Presidency will be passed down the list one at a time. It will go back to seat 1 if it gets to the bottom of the list and the game isn't over yet.

The Policy Deck

The policy deck will have 6 liberal policies and 11 fascist policies at the start of the game. If there is ever an action where there are not enough cards in the policy deck to complete that action, the leftover cards are discarded, the entire discard pile is shuffled, and then the action is taken in full. Therefore, if there are 2 cards left and we need to draw three, we do NOT draw the 2 remaining cards then shuffle, but the 2 cards go into the shuffle and 3 are drawn from the shuffled deck.



Phases of the Game

There are three phases of the game: The Election, The Legislative Session, and the Executive Power session.

1. The Election

Whoever is president may choose who to nominate as their chancellor. The floor is open for discussion among all players about who to nominate. Once the President decides who they want to nominate, they should post in the thread, in bold, I nominate <playername> as chancellor. Once that is posted, all players should vote 'ja' (yes) or 'nein' (no) via PM to me. I will publicly post the each players' vote after all votes are received. If a majority of votes are 'ja', then the election passes and we will move on to the Legislative Session. If it fails (it does fail on a tie vote), then the Presidency passes on to the next player and another Election happens. If there are 3 straight elections with no successful election, then the top policy card of the policy card will be enacted without any further input from the players.

Any player that was in the prior government is not eligible to be the next chancellor*. If there are 5 or fewer players remaining, then only the last chancellor is ineligible*.

* (Added post game for posterity) After 3 failed governments (and the top policy forced to be enacted), all players are eligible for nomination as Chancellor (as if it were Round 1).

2. The Legislative Session

Once all the votes are in, I will open the legislative session by posting in the thread. Once the legislative session is open, the president and chancellor MAY NOT post in the thread until I have closed the legislative session by announcing the result. Other players may continue to have discussions.

Once the legislative session is open, I will PM the president the top three cards of the policy deck. The president will choose 1 to discard by reply to me only in PM. I will then PM the two remaining cards to the chancellor, who will choose which one to enact and which one to discard. The chancellor will PM me their choice, and I will close the legislative session in the thread by announcing if a liberal or fascist policy was passed. If a fascist policy was passed, we will then have the executive power phase, if necessary.

3. The Executive Power

When fascist policies are passed, the government becomes more powerful. The CURRENT president (that is, the one that just passed the fascist policy) may get to use an executive power, as listed below.

Spoiler:
5-6 players

1st and 2nd fascist policy: No executive power;
3rd fascist policy: President will secretly be told what the next 3 policy cards are, Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

7-8 players

1st fascist policy: No executive power.
2nd fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
3rd fascist policy: The President calls a Special Election and selects who the next President will be. Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor.
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

Spoiler:
9-10+ players

1st fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
2nd fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
3rd fascist policy: The President calls a Special Election and selects who the next President will be. Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor.
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

Explanations of Powers:

Investigation: The President should publicly post in the thread, in bold, I investigate <playername>. I will reply via PM if the player is Liberal or Fascist. If the investigated player is Hitler, you will only be told that they are Fascist, not that they are Hitler.

Special Election: The President selects the next President by posting in the thread, in bold, I choose <player name> to be the next president. After that single election, the Presidency goes back to where it would have been otherwise and continues on normally.

Assassination: The President should publicly post in the thread, in bold, I assassinate <playername>. The assassinated player should have no further part in the discussion. Assassinated players do not have their loyalty revealed unless they are Hitler, in which case the Liberals have won.

People may discuss openly in the thread about the best use of these powers, but ultimately, once the President posts the bold statement, it can not be taken back.

Veto Power: Here, the President and Chancellor have the opportunity to veto the agenda. If the President and Chancellor choose to veto, then all 3 cards are discarded and the presidency passes. The failed election counter does go up by 1 as well, bringing it closer to a forced policy enactment.



After the Executive Power phase, if the game is not won, we go to the next election phase with the new President in power.


ALL GAME COMMUNICATION, UNLESS STATED IN THE RULES ABOVE, SHOULD BE IN THIS THREAD. THERE SHOULD BE NO GAME RELATED PM BETWEEN PLAYERS.


Players Order (Game Abbrev):
  1. Werewolf (WW)
  2. NerdAlert (NA)
  3. ImPrettyDumb (IPD)
  4. yankeetripper (yt)
  5. MayanActuary (maaa)
  6. Doctor Who (DW)
  7. soyleche (soy)


Jecklers:
ElDucky (chief)
BruteFarce
Kenneth of the Park in the South

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Voting record and policy enactment.

Liberal Policies passed: 5 -- LIBERALS WIN ON POLICIES
Fascist Policies passed: 4

Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
01	01	01	05	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
02	01	02	06	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
03	01	03	04	F	N	N	J	J	J	N	J
04	01	04	07	--	N	N	J	J	N	N	J
04	02	05	07	F	J	J	N	J	J	J	J
05	01	06	01	--	J	J	N	N	N	J	N
05	02	07	02	L	J	J	N	J	N	J	J
06	01	01	06	F	J	J	J	N	N	J	J
07	01	07	02	L	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
08	01	02	01	--	J	N	N	N	N	J	N
08	02	03	01	--	N	N	J	N	N	N	N
08	03	04	06	F	N	*	N	N	N	N	N
09	01	05	03	--	N	J	N	J	J	N	N
09	02	06	01	L	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
*She voted "Nein" . . . then tried to change it "Ja" . . . then changed it back to "Nein" . . . so I'm not sure how to really count it.

Fascists & Hitler (for those who want to read the thread knowing the roles ahead of time. If you want to read and figure it out, don't look at the following spoilered information).

Spoiler:

soyleche => Hitler
yankeetripper, MayanActuary ==> Fascist

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Old 01-24-2020, 05:37 PM
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Votes are in . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are being tallied . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are now tallied . . . and . . .

Spoiler:

Gov't Elected!
Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
07	01	07	02	??	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
But wait! There's MORE . . .
Spoiler:

FASCISTS WIN!!

Spoiler:

Sorry wait! Wrong game. Wrong game!

NerdAlert is not Hitler this time around.

soyleche and NerdAlert, please do not post in the thread until after your policy is enacted.





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Old 01-24-2020, 05:40 PM
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Votes are in . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are being tallied . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are now tallied . . . and . . .

Spoiler:

Gov't Elected!
Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
07	01	07	02	??	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
But wait! There's MORE . . .
Spoiler:

FASCISTS WIN!!

Spoiler:

Sorry wait! Wrong game. Wrong game!

NerdAlert is not Hitler this time around.

soyleche and NerdAlert, please do not post in the thread until after your policy is enacted.





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Votes are in . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are being tallied . . .

Spoiler:

Votes are now tallied . . . and . . .

Spoiler:

Gov't Elected!
Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
07	01	07	02	??	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
But wait! There's MORE . . .
Spoiler:

FASCISTS WIN!!

Spoiler:

Sorry wait! Wrong game. Wrong game!

NerdAlert is not Hitler this time around.

soyleche and NerdAlert, please do not post in the thread until after your policy is enacted.





So IPD, yt, and MA voted against this government.
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So IPD, yt, and MA voted against this government.


Iím happy we didnít elect Hitler. Hopefully we get L policy and NA doesnít nominate Hitler.
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So IPD, yt, and MA voted against this government.
Always needs to be brought up, and I forget to think about it a lot, but Hitler is blind. Just because us 3 voted in step does not indicate coordination. You WW and NA have voted in step the entire game as well.If anything soy is probably the leading candidate for Hitler at this point.
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Always needs to be brought up, and I forget to think about it a lot, but Hitler is blind.
And his dog's got nose!
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I'd like to point out the following in regards to the voting record:

1 Nein - soy
2 Neins - WW-NA-DW (in fact, our voting records are the same and NA is basically confirmed L
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3 Neins - yt
4 Neins - IPD
5 Neins - MA

It seems like the Fascists have all Neined at least 3 times, and much more so in the later rounds.

I'm 100% behind this gov't.

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Voting record and policy enactment.

Liberal Policies passed: 4
Fascist Policies passed: 3

Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
01	01	01	05	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
02	01	02	06	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
03	01	03	04	F	N	N	J	J	J	N	J
04	01	04	07	--	N	N	J	J	N	N	J
04	02	05	07	F	J	J	N	J	J	J	J
05	01	06	01	--	J	J	N	N	N	J	N
05	02	07	02	L	J	J	N	J	N	J	J
06	01	01	06	F	J	J	J	N	N	J	J
07	01	07	02	L	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
08	01	02	??
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Thanks NA. Thinking through this...

Player list

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Players Order (Game Abbrev):
  1. Werewolf (WW)
  2. NerdAlert (NA)
  3. ImPrettyDumb (IPD)
  4. yankeetripper (yt)
  5. MayanActuary (maaa)
  6. Doctor Who (DW)
  7. soyleche (soy)


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Voting record and policy enactment.

Liberal Policies passed: 4
Fascist Policies passed: 4

Code:
					01	02	03	04	05	06	07
Rnd	Elect	Pres	Chan	Pol	WW	NA	IPD	yt	maaa	DW	soy
01	01	01	05	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
02	01	02	06	L	J	J	J	J	J	J	J
03	01	03	04	F	N	N	J	J	J	N	J
04	01	04	07	--	N	N	J	J	N	N	J
04	02	05	07	F	J	J	N	J	J	J	J
05	01	06	01	--	J	J	N	N	N	J	N
05	02	07	02	L	J	J	N	J	N	J	J
06	01	01	06	F	J	J	J	N	N	J	J
07	01	07	02	L	J	J	N	N	N	J	J
08	01	02	01	--	J	N	N	N	N	J	N
08	02	03	01	--	N	N	J	N	N	N	N
08	03	04	06	F	N	*	N	N	N	N	N
09	01	05	03	--	N	J	N	J	J	N	N
09	02	06	??
*She voted "Nein" . . . then tried to change it "Ja" . . . then changed it back to "Nein" . . . so I'm not sure how to really count it.
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