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Old 02-27-2019, 09:58 AM
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Default Secret Hitler Interest Thread - Beware the Ides of March

Let's see if we can get this started.

First Run (Fascist win on policy)
The Liberals Try Again (Hitler elected Chancellor)
Fascism Unstoppable (Fascist win on policy)
The Revenge (Liberals won on a Hitler assassination; and VA gets his due)
The Nazi Strike Back (Fascist won on hung gov't policy; some discussion around the Eva Braun role originated in this thread as well)

Springtime for Hitler (Fascist won; Eva introduced)

I would like to try to fine tune the role of Eva Braun; with the role only being present if there are an even number of players. I think we have enough evidence to say that the online version of this game is independent of the live version in terms of "balance".

In the proposed rules, Items related to Eva are in a blue font to help with reviewing the proposed structure to this role. (Again, only in play if there are an even number of players.)

And I'll also entertain playing with more than 10 players. If we get more than 10 signed up, I'll clarify details on number of F vs. L (perhaps there could be more than 1 Hitler! But not this time.)

For now, if you're interested, please indicate in this thread. I will start a new thread with the official rules for the game and players. For now, here is the set of (slightly modified) rules from the last game on the AO.

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The game can be played with anywhere from 5-10+ players.

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The setting is 1930s Germany. There are two teams, the fascists and the liberals. One of the fascists will be the Secret Hitler, which will be explained below. The teams will be enumerated as follows:

5 players: 3L, 1F+H
6 players: 4L*, 1F+H
7 players: 4L, 2F+H
8 players: 5L*, 2F+H
9 players: 5L, 3F+H
10 players, 6L*, 3F+H

11 players, 6L, 4F + H (etc.)

*One player will be Eva Braun (to be explained later).

The fascists win if 6 fascist policies are passed, or if Hitler is elected chancellor after 3 fascist policies are passed. The liberals win if 5 liberal policies are passed, or if Hitler is assassinated.

If Eva is assassinated, then the assassin's team wins.


Before the game

You will be assigned one of three (or four) roles: Liberal, Fascists, or Hitler (or Eva). If you are Liberal, that will be all that you know. If you are Fascist, you will be told your fascist teammates as well as who Hitler is. If you are Hitler, unless there are only 5-6 players, you will NOT know who your fascist teammates are. If you are Eva, your alignment will be initially Liberal, but will change as more Fascist policies are passed.

You will be assigned a seat number as well. Seat 1 will be the first President, and the Presidency will be passed down the list one at a time. It will go back to seat 1 if it gets to the bottom of the list and the game isn't over yet.

The Policy Deck

The policy deck will have 6 liberal policies and 11 fascist policies at the start of the game. If there is ever an action where there are not enough cards in the policy deck to complete that action, the leftover cards are discarded, the entire discard pile is shuffled, and then the action is taken in full. Therefore, if there are 2 cards left and we need to draw three, we do NOT draw the 2 remaining cards then shuffle, but the 2 cards go into the shuffle and 3 are drawn from the shuffled deck.


Phases of the Game

There are three phases of the game: The Election, The Legislative Session, and the Executive Power session.

1. The Election

Whoever is president may choose who to nominate as their chancellor. The floor is open for discussion among all players about who to nominate. Once the President decides who they want to nominate, they should post in the thread, in bold, I nominate <playername> as chancellor. Once that is posted, all players should vote 'ja' (yes) or 'nein' (no) via PM to me. I will publicly post the each players' vote after all votes are received. If a majority of votes are 'ja', then the election passes and we will move on to the Legislative Session. If it fails (it does fail on a tie vote), then the Presidency passes on to the next player and another Election happens. If there are 3 straight elections with no successful election, then the top policy card of the policy card will be enacted without any further input from the players.

Any player that was in the prior government is not eligible to be the next chancellor. If there are 5 or fewer players remaining, then only the last chancellor is ineligible.

2. The Legislative Session

Once all the votes are in, I will open the legislative session by posting in the thread. Once the legislative session is open, the president and chancellor MAY NOT post in the thread until I have closed the legislative session by announcing the result. Other players may continue to have discussions.

Once the legislative session is open, I will PM the president the top three cards of the policy deck. The president will choose 1 to discard by reply to me only in PM. I will then PM the two remaining cards to the chancellor, who will choose which one to enact and which one to discard. The chancellor will PM me their choice, and I will close the legislative session in the thread by announcing if a liberal or fascist policy was passed. If a fascist policy was passed, we will then have the executive power phase, if necessary.

3. The Executive Power & Eva Braun

Nothing special about Eva until Fascist Policies are passed.

When fascist policies are passed, the government becomes more powerful. The CURRENT president (that is, the one that just passed the fascist policy) may get to use an executive power, as listed below.

After the first fascist policy is passed, Eva becomes attracted to Power and will automatically vote JA for any government that contains a Fascist. Posted votes will reflect what was sent in. "Final vote" count will not necessarily be posted.

After the 3rd fascist policy is passed, Eva become attracted only to Hitler and will automatically vote JA for any government that contains Hitler (but not one that contains only other Fascists).

Eva remains a Liberal until the 5th fascist policy is passed. At that point, she become a Fascist, but will not be told who else is a Fascist nor who Hitler is.



5-6 players

1st and 2nd fascist policy: No executive power;
3rd fascist policy: President will secretly be told what the next 3 policy cards are, Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

7-8 players

1st fascist policy: No executive power.
2nd fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
3rd fascist policy: The President calls a Special Election and selects who the next President will be. Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor.
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

9-10+ players

1st fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
2nd fascist policy: The President must investigate the party of one of the players.
3rd fascist policy: The President calls a Special Election and selects who the next President will be. Hitler may now win by being elected chancellor.
4th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player.
5th fascist policy: The President must assassinate a player. Veto power unlocked.

Explanations of Powers:

Investigation: The President should publicly post in the thread, in bold, I investigate <playername>. I will reply via PM if the player is Liberal or Fascist. If the investigated player is Hitler, you will only be told that they are Fascist, not that they are Hitler. If the investigated player is Eva, you will only be told that they are Liberal, not that they are Eva.

Special Election: The President selects the next President by posting in the thread, in bold, I choose <player name> to be the next president. After that single election, the Presidency goes back to where it would have been otherwise and continues on normally.

Assassination: The President should publicly post in the thread, in bold, I assassinate <playername>. The assassinated player should have no further part in the discussion. Assassinated players do not have their loyalty revealed unless they are Hitler in which case the liberals have won.

People may discuss openly in the thread about the best use of these powers, but ultimately, once the President posts the bold statement, it can not be taken back.

Veto Power: Here, the President and Chancellor have the opportunity to veto the agenda. If the President and Chancellor choose to veto, then all 3 cards are discarded and the presidency passes. The failed election counter does go up by 1 as well, bring it closer to a forced policy enactment.



After the Executive Power phase, if the game is not won, we go to the next election phase with the new President in power.


ALL GAME COMMUNICATION, UNLESS STATED IN THE RULES ABOVE, SHOULD BE IN THIS THREAD. THERE SHOULD BE NO GAME RELATED PM BETWEEN PLAYERS.

I am thinking of a 3/11 start date unless we get 10 players sooner or general consensus of a "better" start date.

A Student will step in as Moderator for this running of the bull.

Players signed up
Werewolf
yankeetripper
Kenny
sam10gle
ImPrettyDumb
Dr Who
NerdAlert
ElDucky

*New players to the game

Waiting list


Hecklers
MuggleActuary
Vorian Atreides

Past Players
Adolf
Bicycle Repair Man
BruteForce
Childish Gambino
Doctor Who**
Expunge
Normal Dan
Super Silver Haze
therealsylvos
A Student**
yankeetripper
ImPrettyDumb
R Daneel Olivaw
Vorian Atreides
MountainHawk**
ElDucky
Werewolf
MuggleActuary
NerdAlert
Kenny

** Have served as moderator for this game

not played be were "official hecklers"
soyleche
Super Silver Haze
MightySchoop

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Sure I can be in. If you go over 10, I'll bow out to allow new players in.
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Sure I can be in. If you go over 10, I'll bow out to allow new players in.
I suppose I have a tipo somewhere in the OP . . .


But I'm looking at trying the game out with more than 10 players.

I think the 10 player limit is more a function of the Live game than with an online version.
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Maybe in, depending on timing. Will be in Europe starting next week, so probably won't work out unless you're planning to start after the 16th.
Last time I checked, Europe has the internet.




But I will wish you safe travels and forewarn you against the Cliffs of Insanity.

Not likely to postpone the game start that long, but I'll add you to the waitlist and move you to Official Heckler if we start before your return.
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I suppose I have a tipo somewhere in the OP . . .


But I'm looking at trying the game out with more than 10 players.

I think the 10 player limit is more a function of the Live game than with an online version.
rules? you expected me to read the rules?
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If it's March 11 - 15 week, I'm out.

Otherwise I'm in, but will also willing to just heckle if there's no space.
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