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Old 02-07-2012, 08:09 PM
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And it's incredible how far they can go before the membership gets angry. I've never seen such apathy.

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How do I show my anger? I've been looking for excuses to get angry.

Seriously, there's only that much a member can do, short of running for president himself or herself. Oh wait, you can't even run unless you are nominated, or something like that.

If there's a revolution of some sort, I'd be happy to join (I've been signing all the pettitions, to no avail, obviously). I just don't know how to start one. I have a job and a family to take care of as well.
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I've been volunteering on exam committees for years. When the FEM debate came up, not a single person on my exam committtee was for it. In fact, we were all passionately against it. Even our Canadian members were against it, every single one of them.
I did not imply all E&E volunteers pro FEM. Also, I did not imply all of the readers here are ....

Next time in an E&E meeting if you come across an elective leader mentioned so and so's name and ask about him.

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Does it appear to anyone else that most FEM supporters are acedemics? Those who stand to gain the most (emplyment security) from FEM being utilized?
Does it appear to anyone else SOA/CAS preparatory seminar guys/girls are anti-FEM?

Actually most US academics opposed FEM.

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How do I show my anger? I've been looking for excuses to get angry.

Seriously, there's only that much a member can do, short of running for president himself or herself. Oh wait, you can't even run unless you are nominated, or something like that.

If there's a revolution of some sort, I'd be happy to join (I've been signing all the pettitions, to no avail, obviously). I just don't know how to start one. I have a job and a family to take care of as well.
Pretty much my opinion too.

I don't want to be SOA president, I just want my voice heard.
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I probably should have moved this thread when it first appeared. As long as the topic is leadership of the various actuarial organizations, and the political issues involved, this forum seems a bit more apt than General Actuarial. In fact, recent posts about trolls and trolling almost convinced me to send the thread all the way to NAT. So, my advice is to kindly watch yourselves. I have no power to move this thread out of Chat with . . . But I do know how to do the report post click action.
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I've been volunteering on exam committees for years. When the FEM debate came up, not a single person on my exam committtee was for it. In fact, we were all passionately against it. Even our Canadian members were against it, every single one of them.
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I probably should have moved this thread when it first appeared. As long as the topic is leadership of the various actuarial organizations, and the political issues involved, this forum seems a bit more apt than General Actuarial. In fact, recent posts about trolls and trolling almost convinced me to send the thread all the way to NAT. So, my advice is to kindly watch yourselves. I have no power to move this thread out of Chat with . . . But I do know how to do the report post click action.
Carol, You are one of the posters that I respect.I am not trolling just for the sake of trolling, I am just trying to show that there is another side. Those on the other side may not appreciate my style (ex: whatever happened to wag the dog?) and I am not talking on behalf of them. I just don't like when people try to portray SOA elected leaders in a different way, like there is a secret agenda to implement FEM. I have talked to some elected leaders of SOA and I've learned about the other side. SOA is a volunteer driven system, those volunteers who learned to work with others well, stay on. Some become elected leaders and then they get a chance to do what they want to, after that they should go away. There is no point in mudslinging. Also, it is wrong to try to transplant your friend (or friends) to elected leadership positions when things go wrong for you. Just my opinion.

In any event apathy rules on this forum!

Also, I think whoever deleted my one-liner post that is being quoted by george24* shouldn't have done that.

*I don't think anyone has any doubt that who george24 really is.

PS: I'll wait and see how the "angry mob" thing is going to work.
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Carol, You are one of the posters that I respect.I am not trolling just for the sake of trolling, I am just trying to show that there is another side. Those on the other side may not appreciate my style (ex: whatever happened to wag the dog?) and I am not talking on behalf of them. I just don't like when people try to portray SOA elected leaders in a different way, like there is a secret agenda to implement FEM. I have talked to some elected leaders of SOA and I've learned about the other side. SOA is a volunteer driven system, those volunteers who learned to work with others well, stay on. Some become elected leaders and then they get a chance to do what they want to, after that they should go away. There is no point in mudslinging. Also, it is wrong to try to transplant your friend (or friends) to elected leadership positions when things go wrong for you. Just my opinion.
Thanks. I agree that the conspiracy theorists have their own agenda, and it's not necessarily mine, either.

However, the matter of getting on the ballot does seem to show serious signs of disfunctional group-think on the part of current leadership. But getting that issue resolved has NOTHING to do with opposition to/or favoritism towards FEM. Admittedly, I think FEM is a dumb idea and I hope it goes away, but I'm willing to be patient and let the natural consequences kill it off.

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In any event apathy rules on this forum!
Also, I think whoever deleted my one-liner post that is being quoted by george24* shouldn't have done that.
*I don't think anyone has any doubt that who george24 really is.
Well, for what it's worth, I have no clue about george's identity and I really don't care.

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Being angry is rarely a way to get to a better solution, let alone the best one, even if such a "best" solution even exists.

Robert Heinlein once gave a formula for the IQ of a mob. Take the average IQ of the members of the mob, then divide by the number of members.
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