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Old 09-02-2019, 12:00 PM
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I'm afraid that is complete nonsense. The qualification is meant to vouch for a competency standard and fitness to practice. If not, the qualification has no value. You seem to be arguing that. Perhaps you should explain to the IFoA their qualification has no value and ask yourself why then you did it.
And this is the problem I have with the UK actuarial profession.

I have seen people who can deliver brilliant work but just can't (or can't be bothered to) pass exams.

On the flipside, I have seen FIA/FIFA whose, to put it diplomatically, only actuarial skill is passing exams.

Yes there is a correlation between passing exams and competency but neither is it absolute the way that the UK profession seems to view it, leading to an overemphasis on the exams (and I won't delve into the general UK attitude where they already "know" that UK exams are the best of all and any other countries' exams are second rate at best).

As an example on this fixation with exams, when I first moved to the UK, I had a student (~3 yrs experience) reporting to me. When the goals for the year were set, cascaded down by the head of department, I found it odd that the first item on the list, with the highest weightage was "passing exams". I pushed back on this, saying that he should be graded solely on his work product, not whether he passed a bunch of exams, noting also the somewhat random nature of exams. This was shot down by the HOD, and it was made clear to me that as a student, his first job was "to pass exams".

I find this attitude quite bewildering to say the least. Yes exams are important (unless you are of an Andrew Smith like figure who can basically thumb his nose at the IOA) and the reality of the profession is that if you are not qualified there will be some kind of ceiling if you persist in the traditional actuarial track but telling actuarial students gainfully employed in full time jobs that exams are their first priority sounds like misplaced priorities to me.
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:58 PM
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I am not sure why you guys keep arguing against his point.

There is most definitely a ceiling. Lets not start sugarcoating the situation with outlier examples.
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Old 09-02-2019, 02:01 PM
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I share your problem, Ishmael. The problems all start with IFoA.
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