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Using this definition, all sects or mainline religions were once cults.

So,
Cult + time = sect
Sect + time = mainline religion

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Using this definition, all sects or mainline religions were once cults.

So,
Cult + time = sect
Sect + time = mainline religion

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Not so fast.

Let's evaluate Christianity through this lens, as an example (at the time of its founding and today, to incorporate your desire for historical perspective).

At its founding:
  1. I'll give you that this one is at least debatable. Although others perceived him as speaking as if he had authority, Christ did not see Himself this way. He was not an authoritarian leader whom you must obey or else.
  2. Christ ordered no one to follow Him, and He didn't micromanage every minute of their lives if they did follow Him.
  3. If there was emotional dependence on Christ, people created that for themselves. Jesus did not emotionally manipulate people by design.
  4. No.
  5. Also no.

Today (I'll use the Catholic Church for this example, since that Christian church seems to grind the most gears on here):
  1. We do not worship the Pope (or Mary, or the saints). Furthermore, papal infallibility (which non-Catholics frequently misunderstand as impeccability) doesn't mean that everything the Pope says is law and we must accept his words without question. It's more the converse: The pope says something because it's unalterably true, and has been since Christ.
  2. The doctrine of free will prevents this one from being applicable.
  3. imo, Catholic faith is the least emotional of all Christian faiths. We keep our focus on God and not on human emotion, and the Mass is a reflection of this.
  4. We do not believe that science and religion are mutually exclusive. That's one example of why this one is a No.
  5. I can see why this one looks debatable on the surface. But if you notice that no one is ever required to make a weekly offering, and certainly no one is ever required to hand over their savings or wages, this one is a clear No.
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Also, no Arthur Clarke references??
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To that one quote, or to Childhood's End?
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Learned that from "Archer."

I mean, all this defensive posturing about religion is kind of derailing the thread.
Or, it's going exactly where the OP wanted it (on the rail and over the cliff).
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I never did believe in the ways of magic. But I'm beginning to wonder why
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I gotta strange maaaaaagic.
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Learned that from "Archer."

I mean, all this defensive posturing about religion is kind of derailing the thread.
Or, it's going exactly where the OP wanted it (on the rail and over the cliff).
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